You are listening to inside rush clockwork angels let's rejoin our host Billy Corrigan is he speaks with Getty Lee and Alex like -- -- when asked question McNeal because I mean obviously doesn't -- a press stuff you know he's such an incredible leader crater and obviously is a sensitive person so. What is your perception of his evolution as a as a lyricist because Timmy he's one of those rare people and rock. That's sort of stands on his -- his voice is very unique he doesn't sound like anybody else I mean I've I've certainly ripped -- off many times and I am I asking us for the personal take you know right how you see him as a as a leader assists being close to the bone there. For me his evolution has been fascinating. From the point of view of he didn't really want to job originally. Because he was so over boasts. And notice I didn't want to job. As well half as well we said you do it. Simon think the first Nero was beneath between and behind and three years carrying critique of you know the American dream essentially. And we're putting it to music and I'm seeing more lyrics per second and I think was legally allowed in those huge. So his his his lyrics in the early day were really. Pushing very hard at making a point and then he went through a period. Where that was much more of his personal. And contacts. That he was trying to bring into his music even though he's always been heartfelt. I feel I ease tension a lot of criticism for not being heart felt really content I think instead. That is so. I hate to interrupt you for that is so ridiculous he yeah he is one of the most heartfelt. And personal lyricists that I've ever read -- yes -- -- brought this sort of an intellectual perspective. That is so unique -- it boggles my mind when people. But like when people say well -- kind of cold there. You know a little bit -- crime here is they don't get that there's a real hard at the center of the music as a fan I've always been quick to defend that because I just think that is absurd. Yeah I mean. He's in his rating comes from his heart it's what he believes and it's not cold and tell us. In a moment -- get back to -- fascinating conversation with Getty -- and -- likes of rush but -- -- for angels the title track from -- -- out. Okay. Yeah okay. We'll be right back with more conversation with Getty Lee and Alex let's send. Along with a host Billy Corrigan. As they discuss the new rush released clockwork angels on a brush radio network.