Again thanks a lot and I really appreciate you he's taking my call been a big -- years furlong time might. I don't wanna make you feel old but I've been listening to your music since elementary school. If you'll really. -- have to help me along the. I'll tell you man after seeing a few times in the past few years you it's you don't look gold you don't sound old. You you still have a an amazing commanded the stage in your voice is still strong and and by -- my first question is and what. What is the cardinal. Rule. Of its longevity of endurance is in this business as far as performance goes. Well it depends on you know what -- would perform here I guess we're talking about me so I guess yeah -- we're talking about. It is the most typical of all of them physically the most typical all those jobs up there. And by that I mean I'm not trying to be little the other issues. But if you catch cold you're doomed. Pretty much you know and you don't necessarily doom but you know there goes your great performance. This you know the flu cold. I guess a good smack in the Adam's apple wouldn't help much -- -- -- when you've -- those kind of -- you know when you're always on the road. And trying to avoid those things happen and when they do and it's like you're hearing. Being on a plane on the way to London can -- can receive actual -- sneezing the whole time you know you're bringing yourself Poehler goes you know -- -- I'm have a cold now that's gonna destroy Amber's new credentials to -- -- happened before. What -- -- been able to get through it Serena they would get through this because I got technique -- know how to do it so if you don't wanna do it. Chances are the most of the time you'll be pretty cool because you know the pitfalls you know what not to do. You if you got technique you're good enough the company had a little bit here and there adaptive. Because this -- show that's important but those golden overriding problems for the singer of course -- positive things to give us some nightmares. As far as a -- -- and I just really enjoy the process a lot on my blog from the first moment that -- In a strap on -- basis are the plan events you know I was just completely enamored with a Petro wanted to do that sort of wanted to do for the rest of my life the audience connection was. Such a high for me so. That has happened for me all my life every time we play it's it's really a new experience for -- we've played the same places a lot of probably a lot of the same people. That's not the point the point is to make the music come alive and to connect with the audience so that's what gives me the joy toward revealed continue to do it cost effective. I've discussed this attitude worth you know I guess I should have been a basketball coach or something I don't wanna lose. I really don't wanna lose so they're far you know I work at making sure that. You know I'm up to a level all of the time so you know. If it's so -- -- and answers its physical. Very physically -- difficult but you know if you if you don't have technique and some real mental toughness you feel pretty -- -- -- -- What about the longevity in let's say not so much the physical part but just staying in the business. -- boost the amount of time you have. There's so many there's so many dangers as far as other people you know -- doing things behind your back -- money issues there's your record companies to deal within. What what has kept do you go on. Oh you know that's always have that that has happened always and always will happen as happened to me is simply just talking about you know and another solid you want it. Put you know you gotta remember -- musicians mainly are pretty trial like people we -- -- to -- deal with the checkbook zoom zoom. When it comes to signing a contract we go wow that's cool zone there he'll. So -- unless you have someone a manager. Who is trustworthy and has the other one the other pitfalls hey -- -- take period because you know you don't seem to making the right decisions I'll -- you finally get yourself. You know look shark in the pool would you know you gotta fight to them off. So how much you can make that right decision. Delighted salary you want it or break you certainly monetarily and over the end your career so you'll have to make those decisions along the way. The other decisions you have to make this is just what I wanna do in my life is as solid destroy myself this juncture I may be like become a complete drug addict help my Calero Los. Maybe I'll be drunk all the time maybe I'll just be miserable for the audience all the time maybe -- just -- care maybe LB this may be -- that. So what -- make our decisions along the way that's -- be pretty tough for anyone to carry on and beyond just you -- I'm -- -- -- along with what I am and what I wanna be -- you know good judgment. Always in control myself and I think that's important to. I don't let myself get talked into anything. Not these days anyway I used to but I don't anymore but it's it's again it's a proposal this position is never gonna stop. It's you know you mentioned you know -- become a drunk to a -- drug addict and it's just really shows that there's really no formula to success you know and in in the music business and we knew you you dedicate yourself to your craft and everything you do you avoid that stuff and you have. -- other people who who are those things are drunks and drug addicts and the overdose and they become more successful than they've ever been. That's true that -- so that their dad. Yeah exactly let's do not around to enjoy it like yeah you know waste civility you know I mean for me it's always been about the music so I've always cared about being a great usable. -- presented to an audience. That there's always consistency when you hear a deal record -- -- or something I'm involved with. That it will be club quality that's always been very important to -- of this the other way to doing which is paid out very well be the biggest Daschle will walk the face severe but how do things so all raises and everybody you'll get so they'll have my attention and all the other little niece who wanna be just like me who are afraid to be. -- either here or that's another way to do and it's been done over an hour as we all know. I've chosen not to go that way I'm I'm wanted to rely on what I felt was my talent. And not on what was going to be some. Monster created that was gonna please everybody in that way. Yes and got a headline manipulator somewhat like the idea there I want to ask you about do you have to new releases out. You have evil or divine -- York city was just came out and then master of the moon. We're checking out a little more before that. And I wanna discuss those two things first on a master of the moon it kind of go along -- just talking about there's there's some songs on there. That I thought touched on some of the things were just talking about an -- just if you could tell we have some on the right track like for instance the song the end of the world. -- you seemed to allude to. The people that are control of music right now. Are we a year -- to them is evil or. Maybe. Not to exactly into the music anymore and and other songs like living the lie maybe the whole lifestyle thing that's sold. As part of the music business is is you shouldn't buy into that of in my anywhere near. -- -- -- -- -- the end of the world really was you know -- just my dissatisfaction with the music that I hear these days. There's a line and this -- what ever happened to the rock and roll song yeah breaking your brain I'm making you stronger you know. -- -- -- -- -- -- or control in the schools controlling our allies that's the way I see it again you know coming from purely. -- musical. Prospectus I'm not trying to you know be the the dealer with the world's problems here but. I'm couldn't I was so I've always been concerned that the music seem to have taken this drastic left at one point in all the great guitar players who played. Wonderful souls like -- black more like Jimmy Page like just back. Like Tony like always there's always great people. But look who we just want to be kept anymore that wasn't happening it was just what's bludgeon away and we read on the same thing -- -- So you know what I when I hear some of the material it becomes its. You know I just think to myself what ever -- -- the rock and roll song you know if if this is all gone away and fools are going to be you know. Controlling our sunshine that it must be the end of the world but again I'm not predicting this into the world would you know it seems like it is certainly felt that music. The way I love it goes away and I know it won't. But if it it seems to be a period electoral that was happened so you know I was affected on this album alarmed by what was going on the world around me. Another say you're right about living a -- -- lovers and there's another one that's you know that oddly enough touched upon known. The war in Iraq which it wasn't meant to do to song called a man who would be king. Yes that's that's very and it's is that based on the Rudyard Kipling book. On no actually no it's you know that in the title. You know would be amended the trial's been used before but yeah -- Kipling famously but it wasn't meant to be on -- wanted to write a song about. The crusades. I have nothing to do with -- -- -- perhaps unconsciously. Because it was in the Middle East thing. That came to my mind so wanted to write about so Richard the lion hearted who was one of the crusader crusader -- probably the the worst one. And I started to -- from the perspective and I I did finish during this -- from the perspective of the of the soldiers of the -- And the guy who holds the pike and so the guy who's been conscripted yeah peasants farm near the regular -- right now but these people who were told that what they were doing was right because the kings themselves so we believe in what McCain says so what we must so the first -- is -- the song is we left secure religion -- people of the sand. So I'm I'm assuming for myself but that's what they would have thought of these people would call them like you probably -- that -- You know we left -- Islamic religion because we're Christians and that's what we're going down here for your of the infidel not us. So this soldier believes in believes in believes until all of this starts -- -- and and then they see. They're you know their neighbor or their their cousin or their brother died there stabbed notebook cook whose head cut off by some guitar or something. And then reality comes starts to strike and what are we doing down here why -- what have you -- we were wrong and they told us to kill. All the people who are down your children priest doesn't matter and that's the right thing to do and and won't know what that kind of killing goes on. Phenomenon on -- I'm assuming that soldiers get pretty damned sick of war. And then as writing and writing this song I felt myself will hold on as a bit of a correlation here. Richard wanted to be the king became McCain and sent them down the Middle East George Bush is just in the same thing maybe he wants to be can now. -- sort of you know it is -- it wasn't about George Bush but it did cross the line because I'm on a once again assuming and perhaps not likely -- the soldiers the world over through all the millennia. Have held exactly the same way it's always there to do for. They're the leader that they love until everyone around them dies and then they start questioning the ability -- mentally. Oh yeah I'm gonna key line in it is so forgive me father for the change we bring I mean you really just apply that -- Two roads and today what's happening today and in Iraq and then Afghanistan I thought was the Rudyard Kipling thing 'cause of the whole. That whole story where they go into you know Middle Eastern nation and try to change things and. Snow would have been applies yeah because honestly does just came from -- appeal -- different perspectives and images from a different. Geographical location of the same idea -- And I have to say that -- one more so the road. One of the best driving songs ever. Oh great -- really it's. Luckily I haven't got any tickets yet but dumb you know I hear that and you know you're beat you always had a great band. Yeah that you always work with the just the best musicians and -- -- On evil or divine -- New York City the solo from Doug Aldrich. -- -- -- National player Doug is he's just so real. -- Indonesia is a lot different guitar player than along the walls -- worked with the and then he's one of those kind of guys who. I think what came out of the womb with a little guitar straps -- It's an opportunity at all -- those guys like Steve Morse is what is the same way I did when -- around Steve you know need to receive anything but the guitar I've done. You know we we guided to got about two months of touring. With those Deep Purple and -- In Europe with an orchestra for the -- concerto for -- united -- them and know there were times when Steve and I. Would be in the same car and I just really want to -- problems and will you Schultz office. Thumbing you know on the trip would be like three or four hours you know anything can never sent off. Play you know that's what they -- that's -- guitar players like that do you know in this investment have to have that on its. This -- made them what they -- in the first place -- this drive to have to play that instrument. So that's so he wasn't always a great player issues social capable of course -- playing with us anymore. But you know he's he's different from the other guitar players and overseas so that does not make him better than they are others offer things that dog perhaps cannot do. Studies -- looked very very fluid player and you know I think he get -- the kind of proof. His writing ability although we did do a little bit writing on this on the Helm before killing -- dragon. You know I shall have to be proven. It would would have to be proven to me to -- capable he would be of doing that particular things. Now Craig going on the other hand who have worked with on and off we know for many many years and was in this -- now. This you know very different kind of animal that dog but you know just as capable in a different way. So at all -- you approaches I think. Yeah. -- any dumb you know you are divine its evil or divine live in New York City brand is there something different about a New York -- for you. Or was this to set appointments or were you thought the band was was it was like near the end in the van it was a really. Really hit it right. More we thought that Rosalynn will be a great that would put -- before so we knew the value we we knew we knew what it was like to play there was an audience. You know obviously aren't known for a long long time just how special that places and all the ghosts and wonderful music has been played and over the generations. And being from New York a little bit easier for me as well. It's almost like you know come playing at home but we -- lucky because that was our last show and the band. We had just come through doing an entire European tour and the Americans who are without very much break in between at all. Maybe two weeks in between so we were we were you know on form. But the other band was always on -- -- you -- you could have picked any show where nothing went wrong such as guitar strings breaking -- faces falling off for. Someone killing the singer. And he showed me it it is equally as good. On this one move -- a lot of situated times you you know you do multiple recordings of different shows -- bush you know them like yeah of the just in case something goes wrong you are you gonna backup of this place -- -- and whatever. But we didn't we just did to -- off because -- -- of these. Great I mean there's just so good that the players and and again it was a special place for me because it was new York and it just put it all kind of walked out Google actually did was there we always planned on recording of their. And then there's a companion dvd. Right and then you have another dvd coming on June is that right. -- -- I don't know what -- -- is my -- multi. Is there an anthology of clubs like all your videos. I don't know if it's coming out in June I know that they're -- there working on it okay. The other bet that's gonna be in the works side I wouldn't build up your leader tomato and destroy my own no. Why -- ad campaign is not now you won't hear that don't know about that'll be about ten years in the and I'm not sure let's say yes yeah we don't. There's something in the war exceeds -- don't know when it's bureaucrats. What do you what do you think of the whole video making process site immunize someone who's been in the business you know well before MTV. When he had to go you know and you still go on the road -- you really had to go on the road. And tell it to the people what what -- I mean you've done a lot of great videos what do you think of the process what do what do you think of the -- video market in general. Well anyway we'll try it first started musicians of out of position is boring as hell. Because they're all there there are doing we -- waiting and waiting and waiting that's also all about you know after alone on the magic goes away and here you're just felt really. You know trying as hard as you can to be excited about each time you're doing it and knowing that -- -- -- you're gonna have to do it again from a different angle or something. You know so that several processes just like -- filmmaking. I mean there's nothing more boring -- filmmakers that's the worst. But the video as we've done some of them have been so big in the skull that they've been like. Three report date shoots -- you know all the same kind of situation you see when you see people making a film in the park or something like that. Well all the trailers and manulife. So it it must have been much to say it was a film except it was only three days and it was boring boring boring but. It's all predicated upon -- the guy who the the guy who's in charge of the photography of who's doing. Who's using the camera was perspective -- and the obviously the director and how he -- that's what it's all about the you have -- have -- -- good. Yeah first there's going to be of this silly. The -- one we did that was the I thought was they want for the last in line. An elevator. Things that once I thought that was that was extremely cool. And and then this is approve of the director and this is the director Don knows second Cooke crossing all. Who did peace masters and -- -- -- who he's done quite a while penalties of you know like. He was the real thing. Also you're you're working with -- you know what film director he really had it down and it was shop and looked like it was going to be a filming editing was crazy ideas for great. So they'll on the duke but you know after all sometimes you do videos. I'm talking of course about static studio videos yeah I'm assuming that's what you meant as well. But doing a lot of things you know I've always phone that they are wishing you boot the camera Mountain States that always seem to get in the way no wonder they get in the way but every time you do of these things. They -- well we're gonna have to leave the light supper really bright why is that -- -- cameras and lenses on you have always release captured this right that's why don't wanna do that because what you're doing is. You're destroying with the band is try to project to an audience here is a band up there who who. Who is is certainly in some ways you know they're just playing the music can feel. You know to accept changes to conceal lighting -- concealed mood swings are supposed to make this show come alive. And when you've got all the lights out I'll say you know what was essentially having state like in the first not doing. And it's not an actual performance I guess -- So it's not notice that it becomes more overshoot but it does -- gate and yellowish tried to get it. You get it to do it the other way but you know invariably the young lighting guys who have now we need more lights. Let's do this within the sun. So they should do all of them -- you wouldn't -- noon or something that they be so happy. But -- that has been a problem for me that I don't I've I've seen them. Lack lack. That the thought of that show without it being so I'd like to see themselves so the camera we're just CIA looking at everything. And sometimes find that doesn't happen -- that they're productive they can be productive they were a lot more productive earlier for -- of course. Because. You know all that music that we are playing those in those days you know the eighties and what I was vital to MTV. -- else started you know oh yeah so you know it was easy to do a video. It's easy get to get a record company to. Agreed to do video to allow you to spend the kind of money that eventually was spent on some of these videos. And you know this political world nonchalant it. We don't do that a lot anymore although we do make a video here and there while my favorite lonesome song. From -- drug called push which had Jack black -- -- And that was. Really it was it was so funny and it was great to meet check in fact. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- They're injecting a couple shows we did and it was great to see -- Scuttled off got a call from his office just the other day okay we're doing the film Tenacious -- And you're -- All of what that year and it says cells so that virtually -- Gary go will be bored again. Well you know lead at least you're doing some it would would Jack Black who ID is a big fan of yours and I was constantly mentioning you as someone he loves to listen to an -- And I know you must've listened to the Tenacious D stuff so sure -- and then there's a lot of -- -- in there and and which I think is great. Only two I think too many people take that the wrong way I'm actually people -- said well you know disparity get a view that you own numbering nice but. But I -- get along with about civil -- I listen to it and I didn't hear that. All I heard him say it was man I really like we do passed -- -- let us do it now. He wasn't saying no we've got an -- how often stays none at all and you know of course when I met him I realize that. He's becoming the apologize to me first I'm really sorry about some opening up but now says these great you do yes all right. Of them for after that we start talking a little speakers and that was his wife's of them. Fifth I'll ask you about I'll sell you did -- blacks out with an Arnold Yemeni control over this but. The black and blue zone. Which was awesome I remember seeing a movie theaters -- one of the midnight shows right up here and in the suburbs of Boston. And going to see them and later seeing sections of it on Don commissioners rock concert have a great show but. -- is that. Gonna be on dvd or is it already on dvd or their I don't know if you know anything about that are Spezza -- thing their blood. Pulled it is on DVD a really it is -- -- it is not. But it's not a seventy would be a Warner Bros. and time. Because that's who we were assigned to that -- where we did it from through through whom we get it. But it was so that was a very strange. Courage that we were on the road obviously would voice to call their for the black and blue yeah no mention and you know. I know those guys for a long time because of most of the guys from New York. And then a couple of went to school upstate New York bureau where I'm from and I met Eric bloom at a fraternity party would want to. So you know what went way back within it was a problem we are managed by the same person I was probably very wrong to do. Especially you're talking about -- have guys because I because some -- strong feelings about management. And what had happened was we've as we've been doing a tour down the road crew and their road crew. You know as opposed to it being which you would think that the band would hate each other are -- creative -- are all -- group. So things kept getting lost we have a huge black -- we have for years and that somehow got lost. For awhile. And well a few other things got way -- years or so it was that kind of a battle going on know when we got to Madison Square Garden we weren't so we refuse even being filmed so. About five minutes before we went on the stage. While we had no no idea there was going to be filled and at that particular point. Political came all over effect. Yeah man who also had the whole knowing that what they had. They have a little video that they put it as well they inserted of the video in the middle of the shows -- on that -- dvds so. When we went out you know it was a what what's going on what these people doing -- cameramen everywhere. And to make matters worse we went out and started star of the show. I'm saying nothing came oh so like through the -- if you ever watch that dvd you should I through them like open here you can hear go along -- Zones go McCain on one Clark who was on the -- where everything started it was so almost as though. Everything we're gonna be sabotaged. You know I'm not point fingers -- who -- who might have done that wireless we were just sort of real bad -- based. -- cross it was a lot different than what people -- They just had so much more latitude that we did remember same management that didn't make us very happy all right. Right you're like why you savoring these guys have got. Yeah well I mean I knew why did because you know he's he was there from the beginning of that -- and you know. Took us I think it'll it'll always. His being our manager allowed them to do -- to be on that to work. That's -- that was going to be a great package tour together. So. You know that -- get a lot of wrong decisions made here and there are no we weren't really prepared for and I felt we were good as always. But I think we will have a lot better had we not thought that you know there was more to comes when you're doing -- show looking over your shoulder its console. Let's say that was my first experience. Seeing you. You know in fact I was the one McCain to blacks Abbott that was my first taste of blacks I was Will Wright was you singing in the later I realized they had -- before that and stuff but. Right a lot of that happened you know because what happened with the governor and know what it just approach a whole new generation of people who would number about blacks have with -- quality. Because there was this for five year period where they were so unsuccessful. That we just seem to release an album when there was a published a generation shift. And everyone like Jack Black for example it. That will always be feels to me because that's when I heard it and that's when I love it or care about that and then you mustn't go back it was about these things -- -- so different. They you know you're either Warner -- the other I think. And allied bug -- the songs on heaven and hell are so good that -- -- of the way they just. They carry on through time to me anyway they still seem just the you know I can -- on today and it's still it's still awesome all. You find them most of the things I've been involved with the kind of like that. On the if you really take a look a long retrospective look at those songs you and I'm only saying this because I've heard this. No -- And some of the other interviews and I've done the people's say the same thing you know it just seems like we'll. But that doesn't sound dated shot like a great song and so I think that's probably what I've always tried to accomplish through all the fans have been and I hope hope that's an influential yeah I'm sure have a certainly have a deal. But give him that makes me very proud to know that that consistency that I always been looking -- there. Well Ronnie I. Really appreciate you taking my call today it's an honor and a pleasure talking to you thank you my.